Does HGH and insulin, with increased igf levels enlarge the skull and the jaw?

The enlarged heads and jaws of professional bodybuilders.

So whats the truth?

Look back in the day at bodybuilders like steve reeves, even giants like lou ferringo.. and you wont find the deformed look that many modern bodybuilders have somehow managed to achieve. Yes in the past bodybuilders like Arnold had big jaws but if you look to his early pictures even at the age of 12 it was his genetic pre-disposition. The added androgens from years of use would of added to his male characteristics.. but the truth is the culprit today is not AAS.. its Igf-1 and HGH. How have the jay cutlers and ronnie colemans of the modern age enlarged their own heads, increased the width of the jaw bone… not the muscle size wich is important.. and got the severely deformed look that many show. The quest for success on the big stage has caused many to turn to the use of peptides, but the doses used have been far more than what you or I would probably consider. 30iu a day of HGH is not unheard of.. 800mcg of IGF-1LR3 is also not uncommon.. and both can increase the size of your internal organs and so it seems the size of the facial bones, After all the speculation i tried to do some research into what many competative bodybuilders use pre-contest and the results were suprising and scary, sadly i cannot mention the name of this individual but he was european bodybuilding champion in the 100kg class of 2005. This is what he was using… “20iu of HGH and 1mg of igf-lr3 everyday, calorie intake was over 7000k during off season, and those doses were combined with 1.8g of test e a week ,1g of tren, 70mg of dianabol wich was run 7 weeks on 7 weeks off during a year long cycle where a blast cycle followed by a cruise was incorporated, these were his cruise cycle doses..combined with 50mg of aromasin 3x a day.

Insulin was used during the cycle for a 4 week period at a time… Yes for you and I those doses look huge, but after a lengthy discussion with other pros in russia i found out these doses are actualy quite average. However, after talking to a few older pros, the actual androgen cycles and doses werent particulaly high, it seems these are often practised and used by professionals. They were in agreement though that when combined with LARGE doses of HGH or IGF that facial features change.. more flesh on the face, more muscle on the mandible, bigger lips, no im not talking about Acromegaly, But the characteristics are in fact quite similar.. here are some of the more common symptoms of Acromegaly..

  • Soft tissue swelling visibly resulting in enlargement of the hands, feet, nose, lips and ears, and a general thickening of the skin. In particular the appearance of the hands can indicate to a knowledgeable person that a stranger may be developing acromegaly; there are documented instances of physicians warning strangers that they had acromegaly.
  • Soft tissue swelling of internal organs, notably the heart with attendant weakening of its muscularity, and the kidneys, also the vocal cords resulting in a characteristic thick, deep voice and slowing of speech
  • Generalized expansion of the skull at the fontanelle
  • Pronounced brow protrusion, often with ocular distension
  • Pronounced lower jaw protrusion with attendant macroglossia (enlargement of the tongue) and teeth gapping
  • Hypertrichosis, hyperpigmentation, and hyperhidrosis may occur in these patients

Notice that pronounced lower jaw and general expansion of the skull can occur.. yes think Barry bonds.

So is this caused by the use of steroids…. Im telling you now NO, this is caused by the combination of high Androgen levels and the inclusion in large doses of GH or localised GF.

In fact when Acromegaly is examined, often the main check made is on IGF-1 levels.. as these if too high can cause disfigurement, not just in the face but distended bellies can be seen also as the internal organs also grow.. Sadly even the heart.

The ever more present Mandibular overgrowth that leads to prognathism, maxillary widening, teeth separation and jaw malocclusion is now common place in a sport where people are supposedly seeking the body beautiful… but maybe they are none to worried about facial beauty.. I think there is an irony there somewhere. I hope that the time of small waists and aesthetic beauty will one day return, In the meantime we all need to be aware of what playing with our hormones can do in the long run… and even in the short term.

Kind regards my fellow fitness enthusiasts. Russianstar

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6 thoughts on “Does HGH and insulin, with increased igf levels enlarge the skull and the jaw?

  1. Most HGH products are stimulator/releasers (otherwise known as secretagogue) that will stimulate the pituitary to unnaturally produce HGH. This HGH should then cause the production of the sought after growth factors. These products are attempting to jump start the same pituitary gland that is already showing indications of burning out. Considering the importance of this master gland, it does not seem wise to over-stimulate this gland. IMMORTAL VELVET™ is the safe and all-natural alternative that includes a full matrix of growth factors as well as IGF-1 in their final form (metabolite)
    IMMORTAL VELVET is not isolated IGF-1. It is a natural concentrated portion of the proteins that contain the growth factors found in velvet antler. The risks related to IGF-1 are largely attributed to the body having a disproportionate amount of available IGF-1. IMMORTAL VELVET provides a matrix of growth factors (including IGF-1), as they are found in nature, in their proper balance. This natural balance helps keep IGF-1, as an isolate, in its safe ratio.

    • Im not familiar with the product but im guessing its deer antler velvet and a few other ingredients, maybe moon bean?

      IGF will get broken down by stomach acid, weather its free form or a metabolite, rendering it useless, the only product ive ever seen raise IGF levels through supplementation orally is 1-carboxy , which is a form of concentrated extract from L-dopa.
      IGF is produced by the liver in response to other factors, and on occasion in target isolated receptors.
      Stimulating your pituitary gland to release more GH would be the way to go, but orally, you wont get much from any product, as biovailability, and its accumulative affects are just too weak.

      • I agree but deer antler is a tincture, it is consumed orally by filling 2/3 of a dropper and put under your tongue for 60 seconds, that way it is released straight into the bloodstream avoiding the breaking down by stomach acid.

      • So you think that the molecular structure of the ingredient contained in the tincture is able to penetrate the membrane of the epidermis of the tongue?
        Cervidae Parvum Comu isn’t very easily absorbed, very little reaches the blood stream, and its one reason why ive never used it in any supplements I have designed.
        I have yet to see any evidence both in my studies or in others that even in its original form recumbent D.A.V has any therapeutic affects. Save your money, you will increase your igf levels far more with glycerol and creatine only its not as fancy sounding.

      • That advertisement was a lot of words, and not as much substance as it seemed.
        The technical data on its ability to me absorbed was not detailed enough, instead it overwhelms the reader with information about the amazing properties D.A.V possesses. The truth is Chicken protein has more growth factors, more amino acids and is a lot cheaper, just like a raw egg.
        The point is still the same, the extract may be better absorbed via a spray or a tincture, but its still not going to do a great deal. You could take 25mg of testosterone a day and not see much change to your body mass over an 8 week period, yet its being injected and reaches your blood stream far better, and its effects are far more pronounced,

        I would like to see those studies in detail, as I looked them up but they weren’t in any libraries, they don’t even quote study, just mention the bits relevent to them promoting a product..
        Much like I could show you studies showing D.A,V can damage your brain, but there are other factors involved.. however you wouldn’t know that if I portrayed the studies the way this advert did.
        So I would need to see the studies to examine the variables, As for Russian studies on things, beta-ecdysterone was supposed to be more anabolic than Dianabol, Tribulus better than testosterone.. etc etc..

        I could publish a study to back up any claim I wanted to make, that’s why proper studies with case variables detailed, so there can be no doubt.

        D.A.V has been around a very long time, but it still has no study proving it does this or that beyond any doubt.. The reason being is that even if it does, its so mild, that its pretty worthless on the scale of things.

        If any one component in contained was likely to change your body mass, it would be the DHEA, and its conversion to a very potent oestrogen… nice for adding fat mass.

        I will post up some work ive done on IGF sometime, turbo injecting your body, is a pretty good way to speed up the aging process, and that’s what IGF does, it acts like a turbo.

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